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Marcus Arelios Caldari Global Sheep Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.14 17:53:00 - [1] I think this is a great idea. While a lot of players will be affected, its a good thing. If by now you don't have a SM2 vid card, then your behind as it is. By winter 2009 SM3 cards will be dirt cheap. I think this is a great thing, because it allows a whole lot more to be done visually for the game and forces people to improve their machines if they are older. If you can afford to spend the monthly fee on the game for sometimes more than 2 accounts, then you can afford a new video card/computer. My main concern is what will be happening with the Linux client? Right now the official linux client....well sucks. I have been unable to get it to operate to levels I find acceptable, while wine runs it great. I would like to see an improved linux client with the premium graphics. I'm sure you guys wouldn't mind rewriting the graphics engine in opengl (dripping with sarcasm).
Marcus Arelios Caldari Global Sheep Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.15 17:43:00 - [2] Even though the graphics updates are not wanted by most players, they are necessary. Graphics are what is going to bring new players in. Lets see, if you tell a prospective new player, well the game looks like crap, but its gameplay is fun and complicated...good chance they'll find something else to play. A lot of the current players grew up with EVE from before premium so we are just used to the older graphics and don't notice it as much, but the newer ones will. I full agree with CCP about updating the requirements, but I will agree with the players that pushing SM3 this soon might be a problem. SM2 is just fine, those cards are cheap and most laptops that play games support it, but SM3 is a little early yet. A lot of players need to understand that forcing SM3 is something they are considering, not something they said they would do. I'd imagine that post was kind of a feeler to see what we thought. After this I doubt they'd force SM3.
Marcus Arelios Caldari Global Sheep Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.15 18:36:00 - [3] Originally by: Borgholio Originally by: Ming Mongol The real joke here is that CCP expects people to shell out cash to upgrade their luxury entertainment platforms at a time when the world is going to hell and disposable income is rapidly diminishing. Makes me wonder if there is anyone thinking over there. Well keep in mind that these are the same kinds of people who were in charge of managing the Icelandic economy...and look what happened there. :-/ You mean the country that up until the global crash has had one of the world's best economies for about 10 years? The reason they crashed so hard was because the entire world crashed and they are a small country with a primary business of banks (and fishing). Changes affect them much greater than larger countries.
Marcus Arelios Caldari Global Sheep Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.15 18:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Toninu Hi, While i do appreciate that CCP is making an effort to improve the game looks etc I would like to point out that gameplay and bugs are more important to focus on. I have a desktop with 6800gt and a laptop with intel 965 express chipset and eve classic runs better on my laptop. And for those saying play it on yur desktop, I think they should try seting up a bedside table and play eve while near their partner. I used to play wow but it is too much demanding on the hours and always actively attached to the keyboard. On the other hand eve is a more relaxed game and the fact that most of the gameplay goes on preparation and setup i find it more challenging and amusing. I am for letting people use their old pc to still play. I think that being able to play on a laptop is a huge advantage on other games. I agree with a small client to check market and skill change I am in favour of a skill queue system (at least 3 skills) I think CCP must stop podding system or let people insure their implants :) But this may be the irrelevant view of an old 30 year old dude that still thinks he is a little boy playing pc games ^^. only my 2 euro cents I agree with your points, but what your saying is to put more focus on gameplay and bugs. I'm a software engineer and I can tell you, it must cost them ridiculous amounts of resources to maintain two asset libraries for the classic and premium. This change will allow them to use one asset library and put more focus on coding a single engine rather than two. With this change they can redirect resources to gameplay/bug fixes. I fully agree with CCP forcing SM2, SM3 is cutting it a little close, maybe wait until mid-2010 and it will be better. By then a lot of people should be rebuilding old SM1 machines anyways. "should" being the key word.
Marcus Arelios Caldari Global Sheep Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.15 22:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Marcus Arelios on 15/01/2009 22:05:23 Newegg: Can get a SM3 video card for $20, barely higher than one month of EVE. Laptop owners: Laptops are not generally designed for games...if you want to play games on laptops, then your going to pay for it. (i.e. alienware $3000 laptop, or you could get an HP laptop for like $1200 that has SM4 support). You can't expect CCP to keep paying and wasting time maintaining software that is outdated while the rest of the world keeps advancing. Can you think of any other game company in the world that is maintaining SM1 software? Not likely. Let alone one that is maintaining two versions of the same game for that hardware. You don't need the latest hardware to play EVE premium with SM3 support. That hardware is even getting old by now for those that like to be on the bleeding edge. Anyone that buys bleeding edge is an idiot though, the prices are way to drastically high. I stick one generation behind when building new machines and my stuff runs amazing well for half the price.
Marcus Arelios Caldari Global Sheep Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.15 22:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Evil Catbert Originally by: Green Looter Eve playing grandfather giving constructive advice to the kids ? I'm not a grandfather. Not by a long shot. I'm only in my late 20s. I normally don't even post to these forums for the fact that most of the time the posts are complete gibberish. It just annoys me to read all these posts about how CCP wants to ruin the game or alienate its clients. Mostly it was just an outburst aimed toward those idiots. Feel free to do the same. As for CCP's decision to change the client, I'm all for it. I only recommend that they maintain SM2 at minimum only because it is the most common shader on graphics cards made within the last few years. I have no doubt that given another year or two that SM3 will be as common as SM2 was and the base code can reflect that. Agreed, hold on to SM2 for at least another year and a half or 2, then make the switch. Winter '09 is a little soon for that, but it does need to happen sometime.
Marcus Arelios Caldari Global Sheep Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Doublewhopper Originally by: Marcus Arelios Edited by: Marcus Arelios on 15/01/2009 22:05:23 Newegg: Can get a SM3 video card for $20, barely higher than one month of EVE. You can't expect CCP to keep paying and wasting time maintaining software that is outdated while the rest of the world keeps advancing. Can you think of any other game company in the world that is maintaining SM1 software? Not likely. Let alone one that is maintaining two versions of the same game for that hardware. You, my friend, tell me that you have never heard about the game they call World of Warcraft? World of Warcraft still keeps to its very first system requirements while also being able to be tuned up with features on the newest hardware. And i don't like it to play a game technical inferior to WoW because it is unable to run like it used to be. Might aswell play WoW on my belowed SM1 machines then... Wow is a failure of a game in my opinion. As a business tactic it worked beautiful, but as a game? Its too much like a job. There are only two reasons its still successful, 1) Tons of kids play it that don't know any better, 2) The people that have dedicated too much time and are now hooked/addicted to it. One of the reasons I liked EVE/CCP is because they were smart enough to design their game in a manner where they could update the graphics engine with a complete overhaul. Not too many games have done that. WoW needs it, but it won't happen because Blizzard doesn't really care that much about WoW, its all business for them. As long as people pay, who cares. Even their expansions are designed around keeping people playing, not really adding something useful. CCP does care about their game and is trying to make the necessary changes for improvement for all our benefit.
Marcus Arelios Caldari Global Sheep Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Danae Ori Are these the only upcoming changes in system requirements? No-one's happy to fork out extra $$$ on a game they've been happily playing for months, if not years. If CCP removes SM 2 support, I won't quit, but I will definitely think about it. I play Eve on a laptop and these machines are a headache to upgrade. Besides, isn't Eve's niche in gameplay not graphics? Sexy games have bombed in the past... Matrix Online, SWG, Stormreach, etc. due to poor gameplay issues. SWG failed for one reason and one reason only. SOE did not listen to their player base, EVER. They closed and locked forum posts with complaints. Then they decided to completely overhaul the game with a whole new premise completely screwing over any player that was there for more than a year. CCP has done nothing like that at all. They give us warning, they listen to us. They are listening to this post as it isn't locked/deleted yet. An EVE equivalent to what SOE did to SWG would be for the devs to post one day, next week we are eliminating capital ships. All you capital pilots? well you better start training something else now.

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